My pre-ascension Lupin build

My PVE killer, best for elysiums, prots, aff area...
http://jd.pwdatabase.com/pwi/calc/Lupin#r27z3803z8383803z5293513985381w9863250102z3231t23223222223202222222z3y2y222
need Fruition, SoN and Numbness charms. Main skills fr. memories and sed brush. Mount song or pain of Sorrow effect on CVs. Resistances for some pve events
rem skill points for your fantasy

And PVP my opinion:
http://jd.pwdatabase.com/pwi/calc/Lupin#r27z3803z838380368y3593985889w3863250102z323123z2223w2222231w222z32222223
Need fruition and SoN charms. Imune to sleep from deep water against skysongs. Lower res array and Mountain song: Critical stun with bonuses from tomes. Jaden shadow, sed brush, fr memories: pvp skills. Anc prayer - Big Max HP

guys this build EPIC Fail we are lupin guys turn your mind but maybe this ur way 2 play and i respect that Kebabas ur pvp build bad rel bad 1)in tier 1 why 9 points ?we need all points Possible 2 put it in any tier bcuz tier 1 is useless. 2)we dont have PR ? this is important buff we must have it give us 118% more attck dmg and immunity from paralyze effect and this very good in wars and pve . 3)we have here MS ?its weak stun for 4.6sec ?i think silence (LG skill) 12sec and reduced the target movement speed by 46% for 20sec ofc better its good EPIC good in wars we can escape bcuz the target cant use any skill and he is very slow 2 capture u 46% reduced speed and if we need catch someone this skill is better 2 bcuz the reduced movement speed for 20sec i think u can catch him in this time stun is useless for lupin and waste of point. now ur tome build is EPIC FAIL we must change it all and ty

MS has 208 stun effect+81 from tome (unyielting faith) and +45 from brink insanity. Total 334 stun effect. Also don't forget about cold dispotion array. -24% enemy resists. So find person with 438+ stun resists. From tomes you will get +95% stun duration. So it's total 9sec stun duration. MS cooldown is 5sec, so you can stun infinite.

LG has 175 silence effect +45 from brink insanity. So if enemy has 290+ silence res, he can resist. Now compare 290 and 438 resistances needed to resist LG or MS

About 9 points in t1: Lupin has tome boundless land. It gives +200% resistances from vigilance. So 13 in vigilance+2 tomes in boundless is total 39 resistances. only 8 points in initiate and no tomes is +10 resistances.

PR sucks in massive wars. Even if you reach your target, don't forget about skill eva, temp def buffs, temp imunes victim has. And i see PR useless in PVE...

i saw ur point now this is ur playstyle and i have my style i think the stun is uesless in war for lupin and the cold dispotion array i think its a nice skill and the PR too bcuz its give us 118% AP and its nice and 6% every rank in tome i think its good in war . if u think its not good in pve u are wrong some mobs use paralyze like prince the frog if u use this skill PR this mods cant paralyze u and its good but the PR skill for pvp not pve u can use it in pve for mobs . i saw the sil+reduced movement is batter then stun and u have ur playstyle and i have my playstyle ty very much

Hmm im a lil bored so i went to the database and made some builds I think this one is kinda good for a PVP asc build but i duno, help me if im wrong
http://jd.pwdatabase.com/pwi/calc/Lupin#r27z3803z8383803685291z398588379y3806254102z32312y223v22222u222z322222232223

Well not sure about this build but i mad my own Asc and un asc Lupin build.. Some people say its oki but some say the Tier 4 is weird...

The asc build i made was based on having a Felkin lupin to suport you (Because me and rai are glued at the hip and hes always with me to suport me, no point in me having crappy untomed MS, untomed lovesglance etc when i have Rai standing next to me with all of those tomed and maxed..) But no doubt if i posted my builds i would end up with more haters than i already have so i wont bother XD